人物篇 ‖ 访日本国立环境研究所高级研究科学家 赖俊明发表时间：2020-06-20 19:05 [Guest Profile] Ichinose Toshiaki, Ph.D., University of Tokyo, Japan, is currently the National Institute for Environmental Studies Center for Social and Environmental Systems Research Executive Senior Research Scientist (Professor equivalent); the Distinguished Professor (doctoral supervisor) of the Department of Environmental Engineering and Architecture, Department of environmental science, Nagoya University; the Consultant Professor of East China Normal University, and the Member of the Board of Directors of the International Association of Urban Climate (2007-2011). He has an academic background in Geography and Civil Engineering, and he is interested in various aspects of Urban Environment Systems, ranging from urban climatology, energy systems and GIS to their application in urban planning. In particular, he has performed many relevant field surveys in China and other Asian countries. He has served as a board member of the WMO Expert Team on Training on Urban Climatology.  Q/A 主持人：大家好，欢迎收看大型网络访谈节目《当红生态人物》，我是主持人郭智孚。今天我们请来嘉宾不仅是位教授，还是我们当红生态的第一位国际友人嘉宾，他在环保领域摸爬打滚三十多年，他会有怎样的环保故事或经验分享给我们呢？让我们掌声有请赖俊明教授！ 赖俊明：大家好，主持人好！ Host: Hello everyone, welcome to the large-scale network interview program Popular Eco-People. I'm the host Guo Zhifu. Today, the guest we invited is not only as a professor, but also as the first international friend of our program. He has been in the field of environmental protection for more than 30 years. What kind of environmental protection stories or experiences will he share with us? Let's welcome Professor Ichinose Toshiaki! Ichinose Toshiaki: Hello everyone, hello, Mr. Guo!  主持人：赖教授好，欢迎作客《当红生态人物》！您是在一个什么样的情况下接触的环保呢？ 赖俊明：1985年，我在东京大学读大三，当时的我学习地理学学得很失望。与中国地理学界不同的是，日本地理学界有着独特的性质，虽然这些地理学者关注社会问题与环境问题，但他们总是认为解决问题不是自己的任务。我也感觉没有实实在在地去解决社会问题，于是就开始接触环境保护领域。 Host: Hello, Professor. Welcome to Popular Eco-People! Under what circumstances have you come into contact with environmental protection? Ichinose Toshiaki: In 1985, when I was a junior at Tokyo University, I was disappointed in my study of geography. Different from the Chinese geographic community, Japanese geographic community has its unique properties. Although geographers have paid attention to social and environmental problems, they always think that solving problems is not their job. I also felt that they did not solve social problems down-to-earth, so I started to get involved in the field of environmental protection.    主持人：我注意到您有一项很重要的研究是关于中国的环境问题。为什么会对中国的环境问题有着浓厚的兴趣呢？ 赖俊明：首先，我的第三语言是中文，这让我可以更方便地去了解中国；其次，我开始做博士论文研究的时候，世界各地都开始关注全球变暖，中国的二氧化碳成为了一个大课题。另外，我的单位也开始研究中国土地利用、水资源、城市气候、街道设计等方面的课题。在这些事情的影响下，我就自然而然地关心起中国的环境问题。 Host: I have noticed that you have a very important research on China's environmental issues. Why are you interested in this? Ichinose Toshiaki: First of all, my third language is Chinese, which makes it easier for me to know about China. Second, when I started my research on doctoral dissertation, the world began to pay attention to global warming, and China's carbon dioxide became a big topic. In addition, my unit began some research topics such as land use, water resources, urban climate, street design and other issues in China. Under these factors, it comes very naturally that I care about China's environmental problems.
 主持人：您认为中国近些年在环保领域上的最大的变化是什么？ 赖俊明：相比90年代，中国最近的研究方向与我们的思考越来越近。这也是长期以来我们两国共同研究带来的成果。但很多人偏爱通过简单的研究方法去推进地理研究，比如只用遥感资料来研究城市变暖等等。相对来说，没受过高等教育的人士还比较多，以致于他们有些生产活动还是缺少对环境污染的考虑。不过由于在中国越来越多的人开始接受专科、本科及以上的高等教育，所以他们的思考与态度给中国带来了很有利的国际地位。 Host: what do you think is the biggest change in the field of environmental protection in China in recent years? Ichinose Toshiaki: Compared with the 1990s, China's recent research direction is getting closer to our thinking. It is also the result of a long period of joint research between our two countries. But many people prefer to use simple research methods to promote geographical research, such as only using remote sensing data to study urban warming and so on. Relatively speaking, there are many people who have not received a higher education, so that some production activities still lack consideration of environmental pollution. However, since more and more people in China are pursuing higher education at the college, undergraduate and beyond, their thinking and attitude have brought China a very favorable international position. 主持人：您可以以发达国家如何处理逆城市化为题来展开一下，和我们分享吗？ 赖俊明：1990年左右的日本城市发展倾向很有意义，泡沫经济带来了逆城市化、郊外化，长途长时间的上下班给生态环境系统带来了高碳排放。不过现在在日本，工业活动已经离开城市，城市里的苦力民工和城中村已经不多，生活条件和生活质量很差的家庭也已经越来越少了，所以，对日本而言郊外化是必然。但中国不需要重走日本的这些失败，因为在北京、上海等大城市民工越来越少，而白领越来越多。 Host: Can you share with us some ideas of how to deal with counter-urbanization in developed countries? Ichinose Toshiaki: The tendency of Japanese urban development in 1990 is very meaningful. The bubble economy has brought about the counter-urbanization and suburbanization. The long time and distance commuting to work have brought high carbon emissions to the ecological environment system. But now in Japan, industrial activities have left the city, there are not many coolie migrant workers and villages in the city, and there are fewer families with poor living conditions and quality of life. Therefore, suburbanization is inevitable in Japan. But China does not need to go back to Japan's failures because there are fewer migrant workers and more white-collar workers in big cities such as Beijing and Shanghai.   Q 主持人：作为一个在环保领域摸爬滚打35年的元老级人物，您认为普通人应该如何对待环保？ Host: As a veteran who has been in the field of environmental protection for 35 years, how do you think ordinary people should treat environmental protection? 赖俊明：有部分老百姓的知识和思考能力不够就会导致他们的环境观会有些偏差。他们曾经认为环境污染是化学性污染（公害），最近他们又认为是经济上的政策（我称之为“一种魔术”，很讨厌），甚至他们还认为所有的全球环境变化都是人为导致的，这些观点都是不对的。所以我觉得全面提高环保意识和素养是最重要的。对于普通人来说，应该要理解环保，支持环保。 Ichinose Toshiaki: The lack of knowledge and thinking ability of some people can lead to a biased view of the environment. They used to think that environmental pollution is a kind of chemical pollution (public nuisance), and recently they think it is caused by economic policy (I call it "a kind of Magic", which is annoying), and even they still believe that all global environmental changes are caused by humans. Actually, these ideas are incorrect. That's why I think it is most important to raise environmental awareness and literacy across the board. For ordinary people, they should understand and support environmental protection.  科普活动 |
